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Rant from a Member: Christianity |
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forced in to converting?
after being raised in the jewish religon i am tired of no options in worship. seriously you have no options. in monthestic religons there is only one god. so that is only one chance at salvation, this one god in the span of time the human race has been around, (don't even get me started on adam and eve and incest) god has chosen one set of people, this one set of people he's chosen where sent by him to destroy other cities of people just because they denied him. they were allowed to use the women and children as they pleased. they were the spoils of war. can you imagine being a child, seeing your older brothers and father murdred, then being tied by your hands with other children in the same boat then enslaved by some sick basterd who then told you that god had told them to do these things to you? you know, don't deny that alot of these kids were raped.
this was a male god, aparently the only god. according to christains i have no choice but to serve this god and love this god or i go to hell. what the ********?
you know he hates women, if adam ate that stupid apple first would he have treated us better? none of that being lower on the importance chance then a ******** ox?
so i turn to wicca assured that this is a really ancient religon so being older then the christain god i could put my self in her hands and she can protect me. well guess what the christains are telling me that i'm being lied to and that i'm really serving satan. add that to the fact that i find wicca isn't that old after all but at least mother earth is really old.
like i can trust random humans. so they ******** with my mind. they tell me that god sent them to tell me this and my frustration is really a sign that god is trying to reach me and satan has good grip on me. but i don't believe in satan i say,
thats okay, they tell me, he believes in me and he's very much real.
what the hell is satan really? aparently he's a fallen angel sent to hell or earth by god for rebelling. he hates god and us so much that he wants to drag us to hell with him.
i had a boyfriend in the past that tried to control me using the fear of satan, even though religously i wasn't suposed to believe in him. he'd tell me that he really wanted my sould he can just come and take it, or if some tries to make me sign my name with a red pen its really my blood and that really satan trying to get me to sign over my soul. i had to hit rock bottom before i'd be able to chuck his a** out. you'd think i'd be stronger after that.
so now i got christains coming to me, telling me that i must recieve jesus as my personal savior. now i'm even dreaming about it. of course that means god is trying to reach me, or does it mean that my poor brain is reacting to the massive amount of religous stress that i'm under. i wish wiccans prostyitzed. or at lest had a supoort group. i feel i'm loosing my religon. that i'm going to be put back in a spirital cage where i have no options.
religously i was happy for ten years learning wicca. comuning with the gods, the spirits, the earth. there are so many options. women are as important as men and have the same rights. we are empowered. we aren't sex toys and perminate fixtures in the kitchen. well in america we haven't been for a while but finally i have a religon that feels the same way. besides there used to be tribes were women ruled, sure we had our place but we weren't expected to be quiet about it and we had a say in who we married. some of us were expected to fight and be warriors too.
so many gods and godesses care for so many things. some look over justice, some look over warroirs like cops and soliders, some look out for mothers and fertilty and children and animals... i can talk to so many of them and they have their dark sides yes but they aren't that scary, they aren't the only option either. i really feel that my phyiscal needs are cared about too.
if i were to become a christain it would be because he is the only god and i can't bear the thought that the people i've known and loved in my life won't be going to a beautiful happy place regardless of how kind they were, because they did not pray to jesus to wash away their sins and stop whatever it is that they were doing that was considered a sin.
and what the hell is a sin? why did god create sin and make so many stupid things sins? why is being gay a sin? why is witchcraft a sin? magic comes from the godess, god doesn't even have a gender. god comes to us in whatever form makes us most comfortable. if you feel comfortable with a handsome young man wearing robes and sporting long hair and a beard, then thats what you see, if you are comfortable with a funny man with two little horns on his head with goats legs and pan pipes then thats what you see, if you believe god is a warror woman or you need to see a woman old and grey then that what you see, people are convinced that their path to heaven is the destination, that they try to make others see their version of god. they are convinced that everyone must see it their way to be truly happy.
but i'm not happy, i hate the possibilty that my father would be someplace horrible. yeah he had problems with people near the end, but dammit he was a good man. he just got depressed and didn't take care of himself. he doesn't deserve to be sent somewhere bad. i know christains mean well but they are so wrapped in their belifes that they don't realize or even care about the pain they cause others. they are convinced that if they tell people about christ and those people convert then all the pain they caused with their scare tatics won't matter.
yeah well if the christain god is the only one, i'd rather be someplace bad with the people i love then trapped in heaven alone. its not fair to expect every human to believe other failable humans when they come by with a book that was written and re-written even changed by failable humans. oh and don't even bother arguing against the bible accuracy using the bible because after telling you that the bible is infailable they will tell you that the devil can quote squripture. and you're like "did you just call me the devil?"
ever hear about people that have near death experinces? they see the afterlife and for the most part come back enlightened and feeling better about life. they saw god in their own way. once a lady who's native american nearly died went to heaven and was confused. she was told her entire life by bigots that she would go to hell because she was an indian. she asked about it and saint peter told her that as long as you have a belife system that you can enter heaven. sometimes i wonder if i had a near death experience would i met god and find out everything is okay. or if i do have to change my ways. i wanna know and i wanna hear it from the horse's mouth.
in conclusion, i quote a bumper sticker
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dear god save me from your followers.
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rant on the gods and creation.
i'll try to recreate the rant i did that disappeared on me last night.
i have a friend that wants me to become a christain. she has pretty much left me alone on that matter for a while but now she has come back into it. like getting inspired to read me a bible passage. and i'll listen because one thats what friends do. also i'm interested in other people's beliefs and jesus is cool with me.
she thinks my interest means that jesus is calling me. i haven't heard anything. i think he's like respecting my personal space. see i don't feel the dude like she does. i don't have any feelings that specifically make me feel that jesus is even here.
i have felt bridget. i have felt the horned god. i feel them in the room. i honer them.
but my friend says one isn't real and the other is the devil. well pan has his moments but the ultimate evil? a tad rough don't you think?
personally i like jesus. he's awsome. he goes around saving people, healing them, giving to the poor. bridget would totatly aprove of him. they'd make great friends. she believes in helping the poor too. heck she gave her dad's valuable sword to a begger once. her dad tried to sell her to a king. the king, fearing he'd loose his assets but impressed with her honesty, set her free.
bridet was such a loved goddess they made her a saint since they couldn't demonize her. so i love all her aspects, the saint, the mortal, the godess...everything.
the problem is jesus's dad. he's all "thou shalt not have any gods before me!" and "you can't serve two masters!" so if i became a christain like my friend wants then i have to say goodbye to bridget who has brought me much joy. or i can become catholic because she's also a saint, but i would have to learn latin on top of hebrew to read the really old stuff. i'm already trying to learn gailic and klingon. i grew up jewish i can tell you i don't have the brain power to learn hebrew. i'm one of those people that just can't take another mortals say-so. i have to read and understand things.
so anyway i'm not gonna ditch bridget and all the other gods. thats wouldn't be fair to them. its like your a kid in school and you have friends that aren't that popular and the cool kids want you but only you and you have to decide; do you want your friends or do you want to be a cool kid?
so a christain would be like "you are choosing the devil because you feel sorry for him? thats stupid!"
but they are not the devil, thats my point. my beliefs are as follows.
the universe created us. whether the universe has always been there or was the off spring of some other universe is irrelevant right now. the universe is alive and has a spirit. it created all the planets and such and they have spirits. everything has a spirit. and when i say everything i mean everything.
our planet for example. the earth has a spirit and she has all her children living on her including us. the mountains, the rivers, the plants, the animals etc. the gods are her children and so are we. they might be the spiritual manifestations of the land or entities upon themselves. really they could. on one hand you got zeus, freya, inarai and a bunch of other people/animal gods. on the other hand you got river gods, mountain gods and what have you.
people interpret things the best they can. they all have different creation myths. so naturally they all conflict with each other. so of course there are wars over which god is the right god. they are all the right god. whatever belife system you feel is right is the right choice. its the universe that judges us.
i honestly believe the universe gives us what we want so when we die we see the god of our religion and we get graded on how well we followed their tenets. if you believe in hell and you didn't do so hot i suppose thats what the universe will grant you. if you don't believe in anything you probably get reincarnated or put in some kind of sleep to be awakened at some point. i have trouble believeing that they would just disappear. the earth recycles and renews its self, why wouldn't the universe?
bottom line, the earth is our mother, the universe is our grand mother, the gods are kind of like our foster parents. they guide us and teach us and sometimes give us a boot if we need one.
my friend wouldn't understand this and with respect to her beliefs i would refrain from telling her this. heck i don't even know if i'm right, what if she is right?
well my answer is this. i refuse to serve any god that would cast the unrepentant and unbaptized in to hell. i will not convert as a formal protest to this unfair practice. my demands are simple. amnesty for the innocent and unbelieving souls cast down there. rescue for the souls dragged down to hell by the demons he sent to earth that possessed them. amnesty or at least probation for all the bad people burning in hell because even if they do repent after being punished what would be the point? they'd still be there forever and lastly some kind of rehab for demons so they may stop attacking people and animals. they have all this hatred it needs to be resolved.
anyway thats my take on this thing. if you read all this and still feel the need to convert me...um well thanks for your interest but i have my own faith.
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know what i ******** hate?
hypocrits. yeah everybody does but i'm pissed off today and this is my rant page.
i am sick of being dumped on. these people who shall remain nameless insult me and my beliefs. first off no one knows who's beliefs real. it could be islam, it could be any branch of paganism, it could be judiasm, it could be the nutcase in his basement worshiping a head of lettuce, hell the atheists or ufo people could be right, we don't know.
so a book tells these two particular people that their religion is the only one and they being s**t heads to begin with go off and say "my god is real, you're isn't you should convert to mine. if you don't you won't go to heaven." okay thats message sent. of course we are going to challenge it, he just said our gods aren't real. might as well say my dad isn't real or he doesn't love me or some s**t liker that. so then the guys true colors come out he starts calling us names and the conversation reverts back to "i'm right, your wrong, so stop oppressing me, stop trying to compare your beliefs to mine, why are you bashing christanity?"
hello stupid we are bashing you not your religion. once again i like christens but i don't like them all. i especially don't like smug little shits that go around parading the "love of jesus" through insults, pettiness, and snobbery.
you are representing your savior, any thing you do in his name reflects on him. if you are charitable and kind people will think of your faith as a charitable and kind faith. if you are being an a** and mocking people's beliefs over and over again, or snubbing them, or threating people to join by saying yours is the one true god and non-believers will go to hell then people will come to see your religion as corrupt. especially when we see the loudest of evangelists doing unchristian things like murder, embezzling, starting a war, oppressing rights of others, brainwashing kids in a big a** camp.
its hypocrisy thats what it is, to loudly proclaim that only you are correct then admonish any one that disagrees with you. its hypocrisy to demand respect and refuse to show any. oh sure they honestly believe that i have been lied to by their god's enimey but does this give them the right to treat me like dirt? i have listened a lot to their words and the words of people before them, thats how i know so much because i listen. i don't think of their god as imaginary or corrupt, i don't dismiss the possibility that they are right, that is a concern of mine but i addressed that in an earlier rant. just because i will not convert is no reason or excuse to be rude and vindictive. i am sick of being nice and not getting back in return.
like for instance another person i know, routinely makes jibes at my beliefs like saying that its satanic, or its fake. for the sake of our friendship i let it go. but she has been rude to me last night in a fashion that would offend/hurt/anger her if i did it to her and the worst part is she may not see what she did to me because she probably believes i was in the wrong and this happens all the damn time. our friendship may be disolving and thats not something i want to happen, to keep our friendship i would have to once again bite the bullet and hide my hurt. well i'm sick of being the doormat in this relationship. maybe i should let her know how i feel, risk getting her riled up, risk raising my voice too and have her leave because i was yelling at her.
all i want is an apology and a promise that they will stop belittling my beliefs. seriously thats all i want. you can preach your god all you want, just leave my gods alone. stop calling them fake, stop calling them imaginary, stop calling them the devil unless you want me to return in kind. if you continue to insult my gods because you think you are right and scream me stupid for disagreeing and then have the audacity to cry that i' persecuting you then you can go ******** yourself and i hope you reap what you sow. its a*****e behavior like that makes us hate you.
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overprotection is abuse
back story to this rant. on sl you have to be 18. some places can restrict you coming in if you can't prove your not an underage player with very good reason. in our minds a legal adult should have no problem getting an id. that changed very quickly last night.
our friend ______ is a legal adult but cannot get an id. she is a legal citizen, she has the rights...whats stopping her? her bloody over protective manipulative parents. she still lives with them. and I can see she is trappped. the trap is not iron bars, the trap is not a chain link with barb wire, it is them. they raised to her to never disobey them. she believes she is a good girl to do as they wish even if it hurts her. they have failed to teach her independence.
they will not allow her to get an id. they did not allow her to get a drivers license, they do not allow her to work, its amazing she is allowed to have a boyfriend. this is the kicker. she will be allowed to get an id if she signs up for independent student aid in college. so basically she has to choose between college help from her parents or being thrown head first in the end shallow end of the pool of adulthood.
to her credit she chose the swan dive. but I have to wonder is she ready? she's been sheltered and controlled up to this point. like a convict in a prison she hasn't really made any decisions for herself and had been lead around because she might do something bad. even convicts get a halway house to train for life on the outside.
the teen years is the halfway point. ideally you get the training for independence when you are a teen. its practically a tradition for teens to get a job and learn to handle their money while living under their parents. its not law and some parents control the teens and even take their money >.<' (which should be against federal law but I'll rant about that a little later) the point is the teen years need to be about learning independence.
my teenage sister in law for instance probably has the best mom in the friken world and I mean that. I'm not being biased here. while she is protective, her daughter has had these awesome opportunities to travel the world with her school and do all sorts of awesome things. this kid has seen more independence as a teen then I've ever had.
what was my point with this contrast? well for one parents need to teach their kids independence while they are kids. two things can mess up a kid always getting their way, and never getting their way. we have to accept that our kids will grow whether we like it or not. trying to control a legal adult by denying them their basic rights is criminal.
if this was a stranger abduction it would be illegal detaining a person against their will, coercion, criminal threatening, extortion, identity theft if you wanna get really a**l (the mother holds her security card. the girl is 18 give it to her to hold).
if this was a marriage it would be equivalent to an abusive spouse controlling his/her spouse at every turn, denying them money (whether s/he lets them work or not)controlling how they vote etc. but because its a parent no body cares.
I'm all for parents teaching their kids as they see fit but there comes a point where something is abuse. and refusing to let them learn how to take care of themselves then dropping them off to fend for themselves is a disaster waiting to happen and should be considered criminal neglect.
I bet the mentality is here she'll see what its like on the outside then come home to be their good little girl and take care of them until they die. which is pretty damn selfish when you consider she may very well be 40 when they die and she'd never have had a life of her own.
okay maybe I'm letting my train of thought runaway but thats what I do in my rants. you should know that by now. its just that after people have been brainwashed by their parents to never ever disobey them even when they are grown ups its hard to convince them to live their own lives. I seen like people like that. they could 50 years old their parents could be dead and they still can't recover.
Even as adults their parent still controls them, we call them momma's boys and there's the female equivalent I don't know what they are called but even as legal adults its hard to break away because they have this mentality that if they disobey it will ruin the family somehow and the parent will die alone and they owe their parent their lives so they stay submissive to them.
they call it a close knit family. I calling domineering and abusive. parents yeah I'm talk to you....are your kids legal adults now? have you been making all their decisions? cut it out! fix the mess you created and have them make their own choices. you had a perfect opportunity in their teen years to teach them to make good choices and you failed. back off now and don't you dare withhold any help they need because you can't control them any more. you owe it to your long term hostage to help them get to the point of independence. let your kid get their damn id. let them get a damn job and if necessary a drivers license. you don't have to buy them a car, they can get a second hand one, thats an important lesson too, as long as they have the knowledge and license to drive they have a lot more job opportunities. mass transit doesn't go every where and isn't all that reliable I should know I stood at what I thought was a bus stop (and why should I believe any different there was a sign and a seat saying so ) in the fricken snow with a baby in a stroller. so yeah don't think for a second mass transit will sweep in and save your kid like superman. waiting for the bus at the wrong stop in the cold that long your kid could very well take a complete stranger up on a ride. I believe I discussed the results of that in an earlier rant. I'll sum it up. its a good way to get kidnapped, raped, and forced into prostitution.
so to sum it all up parents, lying and manipulation is not good parenting. teach your kids to be ******** early on instead of waiting to the last minute and saying "here's a bus ticket to new york and 3 bucks good luck". you don't have to pay for college if you can't afford it, there are student loans there are grants etc, you don't have to take out a second mortgage on your house, I'm not saying you have to do things that are impossible, but don't withhold your kids important documents/freedoms that they need in the world.
id is important. you can't board a bus, get a job, go in a federal building without id. if you are in an accident or have a medical emergency id helps them contact you faster. and don't say "oh I had her finger printed/id chiped etc when she was little." when trying to find victims/survivors in a terrorist attack/accident/natural disaster/missing persons case they look to see the list of people had shown id in the first place. you can't fingerprint or check an id chip of a body thats been incinerated/washed away/eaten/or otherwise missing. so you don't sit at home going "why doesn't she call? she knows I worry."
oh gee did I scare you? sorry but geeze. an id? what horrible thing can happen to her if she gets and carries an id? you can get it so it doesn't display your ss number and address. oh noes she can use an id to get in a club.... yeah but in most states/provinces she has to be 21 to drink. she's 18 deal with it. chances are she won't anyway because you brainwashed her to think that disobeying you will open up the heavens and she'll be cast down into the deepest depths of hell.
my god take a good hard look at what you did to your kid!
 Irahatam · Tue Mar 24, 2009 @ 09:56am · 0 Comments |
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